Legislature(1999 - 2000)

03/08/1999 01:47 PM House FIN

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HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                                         
March 8, 1999                                                                                                                   
1:47 P.M.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 99 - 39, Side 1.                                                                                                       
TAPE HFC 99 - 39, Side 2.                                                                                                       
TAPE HFC 99 - 40, Side 1.                                                                                                       
TAPE HFC 99 - 40, Side 2.                                                                                                       
TAPE HFC 99 - 41, Side 1.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault called the House Finance Committee                                                                          
meeting to order at 1:47 P.M.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault   Representative Foster                                                                                     
Co-Chair Mulder    Representative Grussendorf                                                                                   
Vice-Chair Bunde   Representative Kohring                                                                                       
Representative Austerman  Representative Moses                                                                                  
Representative J. Davies  Representative Williams                                                                               
Representative G. Davis                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                    
Representative Carl Morgan; Representative Kapsner; Nancy                                                                       
Slagle, Director, Division of Administrative Services,                                                                          
Department of Transportation; Nancy Slagle, Director,                                                                           
Division of Administrative Services, Kevin Brooks, Director,                                                                    
Division of Administrative Services, Department of Fish and                                                                     
Game; Annalee McConnell, Director, Office of Management and                                                                     
Budget, Office of the Governor; Nico Bus, Administrative                                                                        
Services Manager, Division of Support Services, Department                                                                      
of Natural Resources; Margaret Ugh, Commissioner; Janet                                                                         
Clark, Director, Division of Administrative Services,                                                                           
Department of Health and Social Services, Department of                                                                         
Corrections; Barbara Brink, Director, Public Defender                                                                           
Agency; Kenneth Bischoff, Director, Division of                                                                                 
Administrative Services, Department of Transportation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
.                                                                                                                               
TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
Yvonne Chase, Director, Division of Community and Rural                                                                         
Development; Lamar Cotton, Deputy Commissioner, Department                                                                      
of Community and Regional Affairs; Percy Frisby, Director,                                                                      
Division of Energy, Department of Community and Regional                                                                        
Affairs.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
HB 100 "An Act making and amending capital, supplemental,                                                                       
and other appropriations, and appropriations to                                                                                 
capitalize funds; ratifying certain expenditures;                                                                               
and providing for an effective date."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HB 100 was HELD in Committee for further                                                                                        
consideration.                                                                                                                  
HOUSE BILL NO. 100                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
"An Act making and amending capital, supplemental, and                                                                          
other appropriations, and appropriations to capitalize                                                                          
funds; ratifying certain expenditures; and providing                                                                            
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
AMENDMENTS                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder provided members with proposed committee                                                                        
substitute, work draft 1-GH1023\H, 3/7/99 (copy on file).                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault MOVED to ADOPT work draft 1-GH1023\H,                                                                       
3/7/99. There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 1 (copy on                                                                         
file). He explained that the amendment would amend page 7 on                                                                    
line 23.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Delete: 13,264,600 and  15,132,200                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Insert: 13,921,500 and  14,475,300                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault explained that excess federal funds in                                                                      
the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) account                                                                       
would be shifted to Daycare Assistance in the Department of                                                                     
Community and Regional Affairs. The amendment would limit                                                                       
the transfer of funds to the specific amount needed to fund                                                                     
the shortfall in the Chronic and Acute Medical Assistance                                                                       
program (CAMA) for FY 99. The proposed committee substitute                                                                     
made more of a shift than was necessary.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
In response to a question by Representative J. Davies, Co-                                                                      
Chair Therriault clarified that the amount needed is $1,145                                                                     
million dollars.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 2a (copy on file).                                                                     
He explained that the amendment is a technical correction.                                                                      
The reduction proposed by the Department of Corrections was                                                                     
$35 thousand dollars, not $50 thousand dollars. The                                                                             
amendment would correct this error.  There being NO                                                                             
OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 2b (copy on file).                                                                     
He explained that the amendment balances the Department of                                                                      
Transportation and Public Facilities section to account for                                                                     
the deletion of the former subsection 18(e), which would                                                                        
have authorized an increase of $100 thousand dollars in                                                                         
program receipts. In response to a question by                                                                                  
Representative J. Davies, he explained that section 18(e)                                                                       
was the transfer of unused general fund program receipts to                                                                     
design and engineering. The amendment was introduced on the                                                                     
recommendation of Representative Williams.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies asked if the intent is to include                                                                      
the request in the FY00 operating budget. Representative                                                                        
Williams stated that the department indicated that the delay                                                                    
would not cause a problem.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DENNY DEWITT, STAFF, CO-CHAIR MULDER explained that the                                                                         
amendment would be a net zero. He stated that it could be                                                                       
taken care of in the FY00 operating budget. Representative                                                                      
J. Davies questioned why it was included in the                                                                                 
supplemental. Mr. Dewitt stated that his information was                                                                        
that the transfer could occur in FY00. Representative J.                                                                        
Davies questioned if plans would be delayed to the following                                                                    
summer. Mr. DeWitt did not think that there would be any                                                                        
delays. He stated that there were concerns that there would                                                                     
not be enough money in the Energy Fund, but that it had been                                                                    
resolved.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
NANCY SLAGLE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION clarified that projects would                                                                      
be delayed if the funding is not approved. The Department of                                                                    
Transportation and Public Facilities would not be able to                                                                       
issue permits to utility companies and others that need the                                                                     
permits for construction purposes. The Department of                                                                            
Transportation and Public Facilities has authority for $330                                                                     
thousand dollars for right-of-way permit issuance. They                                                                         
anticipate they need an additional $100 thousand dollars to                                                                     
cover spring work. Without the additional authorization                                                                         
permits would not be issued.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder maintained that the bill needs to be                                                                            
consistent. Representative J. Davies recommended that the                                                                       
change be made in the existing committee substitute.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Williams reiterated that his impression was                                                                      
that the department had enough money to finish this year's                                                                      
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle clarified that the Department of Transportation                                                                      
and Public Facilities does not have enough authority to                                                                         
expend. They cannot generate revenues for the permit process                                                                    
without the expenditure authority. They cannot charge it to                                                                     
federal projects. She explained that, in the past, the                                                                          
department resolved the problem by transferring authority                                                                       
from within the department. The department's current budget                                                                     
structure does not allow transfers within the department.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder suggested that the amendment be adopted to                                                                      
make the bill consistent. He stressed that the                                                                                  
misunderstanding can be clarified later.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf recommended that the amendment be                                                                    
withdrawn.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder WITHDREW his motion to adopt Amendment 2b.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 3 (copy on                                                                    
file). He observed that Amendment 3 would add $500 thousand                                                                     
dollars in program receipts to the Department of Fish and                                                                       
Game for pink salmon pre-emergent fry sampling in the Kodiak                                                                    
Management Area.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN BROOKS, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME explained that they would be                                                                        
statutory designated program receipts.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault ascertained that there would be a                                                                           
negotiated contract signed with the individuals that are                                                                        
bringing the money to the table. Mr. Brooks agreed that                                                                         
there would be a written agreement.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman MOVED to amend Amendment 3, add,                                                                       
"statutory designated". There being NO OBJECTION, it was so                                                                     
ordered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kohring questioned if the appropriation is an                                                                    
emergency. Representative Austerman explained that the fry                                                                      
must be counted at this point time. This is a management                                                                        
tool used to predict the salmon run. He noted concerns that                                                                     
more fry may have been killed by the extremely cold winter.                                                                     
The count is used to determine processing needs. The count                                                                      
is needed before the ice moves out and the spring thaw. The                                                                     
Department of Fish and Game indicated that they did not have                                                                    
enough authorization.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment 3 was adopted as                                                                            
amended.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 4 (copy on                                                                       
file).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Section 16 page 10, line 10, Maintenance                                                                                        
and Operations, Northern Region Highways                                                                                        
and Aviation, is amended to add $ 235,650                                                                                       
increasing the total appropriation to                                                                                           
$37,342,650 and the General Fund to                                                                                             
$36,558,450                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The increment is for manually opening the                                                                                       
following roads spring of 1999.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Taylor Highway $132,000                                                                                                         
Boundary Spur 10,500                                                                                                            
McCarthy Road  8,700                                                                                                            
Nome/Teller Road 35,700                                                                                                         
Nome/Council Road 34,700                                                                                                        
Glacier Creek/Nome 10,100                                                                                                       
Fairbanks Creek Rd. 3,950                                                                                                       
Tofty Road/Manley;                                                                                                              
Eureka/Rampart                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARL MORGAN spoke in support of Amendment 4.                                                                     
He read from written remarks. He express concerns over the                                                                      
opening of the Taylor highway. He noted that the Alaska                                                                         
portion of the Taylor highway is about 200 miles long and                                                                       
runs from Tok, through Chicken, Eagle, and Boundary. It                                                                         
connects to the top of the world highway in the Yukon                                                                           
Territory. The Department of Transportation and Public                                                                          
Facilities has outlined FY99 cost savings of $316,000 for                                                                       
not opening several highways this spring, including the                                                                         
Tayor, Denali, Copper River and Nome highways. He addressed                                                                     
the $142,500 thousand dollars cost savings proposed for the                                                                     
Taylor highway.  He stated that reducing funds for snow                                                                         
removal creates life, health, safety and economic issues                                                                        
that far out way the cost savings.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Morgan noted that he traveled to his district                                                                    
and the people voiced their concerns regarding the delay in                                                                     
opening the Taylor Highway. He received numerous letters and                                                                    
phone calls.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Morgan noted that when the Governor brought                                                                      
forth his reductions for FY99, he stated that these                                                                             
reductions were targeted to areas, which would have minimum                                                                     
impact on the citizens of the state. He maintained that the                                                                     
costs to the residents, visitors and businesses of South                                                                        
Central Alaska far exceed the $142,500 cost savings. He                                                                         
asserted that the reduction is not a 'minimum impact' as                                                                        
stated by Commissioner Perkins.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Morgan emphasized that the delay would result                                                                    
in a significant loss to the tourism trade in the region and                                                                    
will adversely effect the efforts of businesses and                                                                             
individuals to promote the "top of the world" highway as an                                                                     
alternate route to the Alaska Highway. If the Taylor highway                                                                    
is not maintained as in the past, alternative measures for                                                                      
the tourism industry of flying passengers or canceling                                                                          
operations until June 1, could result in a potential revenue                                                                    
loss of $1.4 million dollars. The state will be responsible                                                                     
for the large buses and their passengers when the road                                                                          
proves hazardous,                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Morgan noted that there are an estimated 80                                                                      
permitted mines in the area. These miners will be impacted                                                                      
because they have only a small window of opportunity to                                                                         
acquire fuel and food for the mining season. They will be                                                                       
unable to reach their claims if they cannot haul their                                                                          
freight by April 1, losing the entire mining season. These                                                                      
communities are counting on the delivery of fuel, food and                                                                      
building materials and cannot wait until June 1, to receive                                                                     
them.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Morgan stressed that having Mother Nature                                                                        
take care of the Taylor highway opening may result in a road                                                                    
washout. The cost to repair the culverts/washouts would                                                                         
greatly exceed the estimated savings,                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Morgan acknowledged the Legislature's and the                                                                    
Governor's commitment in covering the current year's                                                                            
shortfall, but concluded that the cost saving measures                                                                          
proposed by the governor should be done by other means.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Morgan read from a letter by Holland America                                                                     
(copy on file).                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
This year we will begin our operation on the Taylor                                                                             
Highway May 19, Our capacity for this tour is 110                                                                               
passengers in each direction. If the Taylor Highway is                                                                          
inaccessible we will be forced to fly passengers                                                                                
between Tok and Eagle. With the cost of chartering                                                                              
aircraft to fly 220 people between Tok and Eagle at                                                                             
$15,000 per day, we are looking at a total cost of                                                                              
$195,000. If in the future we could not depend on the                                                                           
Taylor Highway being maintained as in the past, and we                                                                          
were forced to cancel operations until June I our                                                                               
company could see a potential revenue loss of                                                                                   
$1,478,620. This figure was calculated assuming 220                                                                             
passengers traveling each day between Fairbanks and                                                                             
Dawson from May 19 to June 1. The price of the tour                                                                             
between Fairbanks and Dawson is $517 per person.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Morgan read from a letter by Marina Trudelle                                                                     
(copy on file).                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
You see I am 16 years old and I work on the Yukon                                                                               
Queen. They are building another boat so that two                                                                               
coaches can come in. And if the road was closed then                                                                            
that would mean that I and others will be out of a job.                                                                         
so please can you take into consideration of keeping                                                                            
the roads nice for us to drive in.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster read provided members with a statement                                                                    
in support of Amendment 4 (copy on file). He stated that the                                                                    
Administration's decision to implement austerity measures by                                                                    
allowing rural roads to melt open rather than manually                                                                          
clearing them has serious impact. The first issue is that,                                                                      
if roads are not manually opened and instead allowed to melt                                                                    
off, culverts will still be frozen and there will be a                                                                          
larger number of washouts, which will lead to a loss of                                                                         
portions of the roadbed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster stated that the second issue is that                                                                      
the delayed openings were not announced until this winter.                                                                      
Since these roads were already closed at the time of the                                                                        
announcement it did not allow miners and other persons with                                                                     
personal and commercial interests in the area an opportunity                                                                    
to have needed supplies on site so that the normal spring                                                                       
activities could be carried out. The fuel needed for mining                                                                     
operation is a prime example. The seasons are already short                                                                     
and delaying mobilization reduces the season seriously.                                                                         
Mining start-up costs are high and in a shortened season it                                                                     
is impossible to reach the point in production where a                                                                          
profit can be realized.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The third issue is the economic impact on persons living in                                                                     
Nome and the outlying communities. The Nome/Teller road                                                                         
connects to the town of Teller and is also utilized by                                                                          
residents living in Brevig Mission, since materials are                                                                         
brought to Teller by road and then brought across the ice to                                                                    
Brevig Mission. This year for instance, the materials to                                                                        
rebuild the Brevig Mission store, which burned this winter,                                                                     
need to be brought to Teller by truck and brought across the                                                                    
ice to reduce costs and to speed construction of the new                                                                        
store. He observed that there would be an impact to tourism                                                                     
and the guided fishing industry in the Nome Region.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster emphasized that if roads are going to                                                                     
be allowed to melt open, this decision needs to be made in                                                                      
advance so that other arrangements can be made. He                                                                              
maintained that shortening the season substantially reduces                                                                     
profitability and discourages the economic development.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder acknowledged the Administration's efforts,                                                                      
but emphasized that there are unanticipated repercussions.                                                                      
He maintained that this reduction affects needed services in                                                                    
terms of road access.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde asked if there have been emergency                                                                         
funds allocated to assist miners in moving their supplies                                                                       
during the winter.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle clarified that $50 thousand dollars was allocated                                                                    
to assist miners in getting their oil fuel to the 40 mile                                                                       
area while the road is still frozen. Co-Chair Mulder asked                                                                      
if the money could be used toward an earlier opening date.                                                                      
Ms. Slagle could not answer.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde noted that miners would move their                                                                         
equipment from the road access to their mining sites with                                                                       
their own equipment. He questioned if the miners could use                                                                      
their own equipment to come further out to the Taylor                                                                           
Highway. He asked if the state has every let the road clear                                                                     
by nature. Ms. Slagle understood that the roads have been                                                                       
allowed to open up naturally in the past 15 years. She did                                                                      
not know the savings.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies noted that he had prepared a                                                                           
similar amendment (Amendment 7). It is identical to                                                                             
Amendment 4 except for the inclusion of the Kougarok Road in                                                                    
Nome. He asked if the Kougarok Road should be included in                                                                       
Amendment 4.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder suggested that the $50 thousand dollars that                                                                    
the department set aside for assistance to miners could be                                                                      
added to the appropriation in Amendment 4 in order to fund                                                                      
the opening of the Kougarok Road. Ms. Slagle stated that the                                                                    
funding should be sufficient to cover the roads in Amendment                                                                    
4 and the Kougarok Road.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault suggested that the Kougarok Road be                                                                         
added to the list. He noted that identified roads in order                                                                      
to show how the total was reached, but that the Department                                                                      
of Transportation and Public Facilities would allocate the                                                                      
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies MOVED to amend Amendment 4 by                                                                          
including the Kougarok Road/Nome Dexter Bypass. He explained                                                                    
that the funding level would remain the same. The additional                                                                    
$43 thousand dollar cost required to open the Kougarok Road                                                                     
would be shown and the projects prorated. He clarified that                                                                     
the numbers identified for the roads are allocation numbers                                                                     
not appropriation amounts. There being NO OBJECTION, it was                                                                     
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
(Tape Change, HFC 99 - 39, Side 2)                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault explained that he would support the                                                                         
amendment because areas were not allowed time to take action                                                                    
on the reduction. He suggested that the department's plan to                                                                    
delay openings should be addressed in subcommittee. He                                                                          
emphasized that residents need sufficient time to plan for                                                                      
closures.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies underscored that the Administration                                                                    
was pressured to find methods of reductions. He stressed                                                                        
that the roads foster economic activity in some areas. He                                                                       
emphasized that there are some instances where state                                                                            
services help the economy.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde stated that he did not criticize the                                                                       
department for cutting services that did not traditionally                                                                      
exist and where major economic activity was not impacted. He                                                                    
expressed frustrations that there are individuals that pride                                                                    
themselves on their self-sufficiency and their ability to                                                                       
get along without services, do not pay taxes and are vocal                                                                      
in requesting state reductions, until the cuts come close to                                                                    
home.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder observed that there would still be a little                                                                     
over $80 thousand dollars in savings.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kohring agreed that there are areas that                                                                         
should be fully funded. He stressed that road maintenance is                                                                    
a primary function of government.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment 4 was adopted as                                                                            
amended.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster pointed out that if the miners use                                                                        
their own equipment to reach supplies that they could                                                                           
damaged the roads in areas where the road is not covered                                                                        
with ice.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 5 (copy                                                                     
on file). Amendment 5 would add a new section on page 4,                                                                        
line 6:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS. The sum                                                                           
of $1,400,000 is appropriated from the power cost                                                                               
equalization and rural electric cavitalization fund                                                                             
(AS 42.45.100) to the Department of Community and                                                                               
Regional Affairs for the power cost equalization                                                                                
program for the fiscal year endine June 30, 1999.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault noted that the colder than usual                                                                            
winter affected the consumption of fuel. He pointed out                                                                         
that Power Cost Equalization (PCE) was underfunded in the                                                                       
FY99 budget. He noted that the shortfall would impact                                                                           
residents and vendors. He spoke in support of the                                                                               
amendment and emphasized that the issue should be                                                                               
addressed at another time.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder questioned if the appropriation allowed a                                                                       
rateable reduction based upon the PCE funding level.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PERCY FRISBY, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ENERGY, DEPARTMENT OF                                                                       
COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS provided information via                                                                         
teleconference. He responded that the department has the                                                                        
authority to prorate PCE in years where funds are not                                                                           
available to fully fund the program.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked why the department went forward to                                                                        
spend more than was allocated. Mr. Frisby explained that PCE                                                                    
exceeded the $17 million dollar cap two years ago. Since                                                                        
that time PCE has been funded at 85 percent. The Division of                                                                    
Energy continued the 85 percent funding level.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman asked where the hundred percent                                                                        
figure came from.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Percy explained that full funding would be almost $23                                                                       
million dollars. The amount was determined from monthly                                                                         
reports by participating communities. He explained that the                                                                     
number spent in the last fiscal year is used to estimate the                                                                    
next.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster spoke in support of the amendment. He                                                                     
observed that PCE has been short-funded for several years.                                                                      
He stressed the need to provide future funding for PCE.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf referred to legislation passed in                                                                    
1983, relating to PCE. He maintained that PCE should at                                                                         
least be funded at the 85 percent level.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman stressed that he is willing to work                                                                    
on an endowment for Power Cost Equalization. He stressed                                                                        
that he did not approve of the department spending more than                                                                    
the amount that was appropriated by the legislature.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies stressed that the legislature did                                                                      
send a strong message that the ratable portion should be                                                                        
used. He noted that it is hard to anticipate all the costs                                                                      
and demand on the fund. He observed that there was a                                                                            
particularly cold winter. It was the third coldest winter on                                                                    
record in Fairbanks. He did not think that it was                                                                               
unreasonable to expect that PCE would be funded at 85                                                                           
percent. He pointed out that the funding would come from the                                                                    
Power Cost Equalization Fund.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder pointed out that there would only be $9                                                                         
million dollars in the account for the following year if the                                                                    
appropriation were approved.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde acknowledged arguments that the state                                                                      
should do things that the people cannot do for themselves.                                                                      
He noted that energy is an area that is unclear as to how                                                                       
much the state should do. He stated that he reviewed gross                                                                      
bingo receipts in communities that are eligible for PCE in                                                                      
an attempt to identify disposal income. He observed that                                                                        
there were 40 communities that receive PCE that had gross                                                                       
bingo receipts in access of $1 million dollars. Some were as                                                                    
high as $6 million dollars. He questioned if the state                                                                          
should subsidize electrical costs in areas that have                                                                            
disposal income.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
In response to a question by Co-Chair Mulder, Mr. Percy                                                                         
stated that in January 1999, the division identified that an                                                                    
additional $1.7 million dollars would be needed. He noted                                                                       
that there was a decrease in fuel cost, but an increase in                                                                      
demand.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if there were discussions last fall                                                                       
that there would be shortfalls. Mr. Percy stated that they                                                                      
did know that they would be short. Representative J. Davies                                                                     
questioned if the intent of the legislature was to fund PCE                                                                     
at 85 percent.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman noted that his area receives a                                                                         
subsidy for their ferry service. The subsidy is adjusted                                                                        
during the slow time to pay for the rest of the year. There                                                                     
are times when the ferry is shut down. He felt that the                                                                         
amount should have been prorated when they realized there                                                                       
was a shortfall.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf acknowledged concern with how the                                                                    
department handled the shortfall. He emphasized that rural                                                                      
Alaskans are the ones that will be impacted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNALEE MCCONNELL, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND                                                                           
BUDGET, OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR stated that the expectation                                                                      
was that the 85 percent level would be reached. She noted                                                                       
other budget items were intentionally short-funded, such as                                                                     
leasing. She felt that it was appropriate to fund PCE at 85                                                                     
percent and noted that it had been funded at 85 percent over                                                                    
the last few years. She noted that the PCE task force has                                                                       
made recommendations that would bring the cost down. She                                                                        
stressed that there is an opportunity to address the issue                                                                      
in order to find a long-term solution to PCE. The rate in                                                                       
rural Alaska is twice as high as in urban Alaska.  She                                                                          
recommended using the PCE fund to keep things stable this                                                                       
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if the Administration has decided                                                                         
which proposal would be supported. Ms. McConnell stated that                                                                    
options are being reviewed. She stressed that they need to                                                                      
check with those that will be affected to assess overall                                                                        
impact.  She acknowledged that there is a need to scale                                                                         
back.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kapsner spoke in support of Amendment #5. She                                                                    
observed that her communities have been hit be two                                                                              
consecutive fish disasters.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster stated that there are 30 villages in                                                                      
his district. He observed that winters are long and that                                                                        
there is not much social life. He noted that villagers use                                                                      
BINGO as a way to raise money. The money stays in those                                                                         
villages.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies questioned the meaning of 85                                                                           
percent. He stressed that the average cost of power in urban                                                                    
Alaska is approximately .10 cents per kilowatt-hour. The                                                                        
cost of power in rural areas is approximately .30 cents with                                                                    
100 percent power cost equalization.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Percy clarified that the cost of power in Anchorage and                                                                     
Fairbanks is .10 cent per kilowatt-hour. The cost in rural                                                                      
Alaska is .32 cents a kilowatt-hour with 85 percent power                                                                       
cost equalization. Representative Foster clarified that                                                                         
rural residents pay the first ten and a half cents. The                                                                         
state pays the balance 95 percent, between ten and a half                                                                       
cents and fifty-four cents. Anything over .54 cents is not                                                                      
paid for by the state. He observed that the actual cost per                                                                     
kilowatt is approximately .40 to .50 cents.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion to adopt Amendment                                                                     
6.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Davies, Foster, Grussendorf, Moses, Williams                                                                          
OPPOSED: Davis, Kohring, Austerman, Bunde, Mulder,                                                                              
Therriault                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION FAILED (5-6).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 6 (copy                                                                     
on file). Co-Chair Therriault OBJECTED. Representative                                                                          
Grussendorf explained that the amendment would appropriate                                                                      
$11,997 thousand dollars for Perseverance Trail repairs. He                                                                     
noted that the legislature appropriate funding in the FY99                                                                      
budget for trail repair with the condition that the trail be                                                                    
taken over by the city and borough of Juneau. The                                                                               
conditional language was rejected and the trail was later                                                                       
repaired through private donations. He observed that the                                                                        
current appropriation would repair another portion of the                                                                       
trail. He stressed that the trail needs to be repaired to                                                                       
prevent liability to the state of Alaska.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder observed that the legislature is interested                                                                     
in transferring the trail to the city. He noted that program                                                                    
receipt authority was considered as an encouragement. He                                                                        
emphasized that it is a local trail. He observed that the                                                                       
legislature is considering not plowing roads at the same                                                                        
time that an upgrade of a local access trail is being                                                                           
considered for funding. He emphasized that the two items are                                                                    
at different levels of priority. He stated that by not                                                                          
funding the repair a clear message is being sent that the                                                                       
legislature is sincere about the transfer and that it needs                                                                     
to happen.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies stressed that the appropriation                                                                        
would repair an existing park facility. He observed that the                                                                    
state maintains parks facilities in other areas. He                                                                             
questioned why this facility is being transferred when                                                                          
others are not being transferred to the local entities.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
(Tape Change, HFC 99 - 40, Side 1)                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies spoke in support of the amendment.                                                                     
He emphasized the issue of state liability.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder noted that this is the second request in                                                                        
three years for repair to this trail. He observed that there                                                                    
is no fee associated with the trail.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf reiterated concern over liability                                                                    
to the state of Alaska. Representative Bunde suggested that                                                                     
tort reform would protect the state from liability. He                                                                          
stressed the need to sort out wants from needs.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman clarified that the trail is state                                                                      
owned.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
NICO BUS, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES MANAGER, DIVISION OF                                                                          
SUPPORT SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCE explained                                                                      
that the trail is maintained by a nonprofit organization.                                                                       
There is no funding through the Department of Natural                                                                           
Resources.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
In response to a question by Co-Chair Therriault, Mr. Bus                                                                       
clarified that the request is part of the Department of                                                                         
Military and Veterans Affairs' emergencies services request.                                                                    
The Division of Emergency Services made a commitment to the                                                                     
Division of Parks to fix the infrastructure in the Division                                                                     
of Parks.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault asked if it is time critical. Mr. Bus                                                                       
explained that the request would allow the work to be down                                                                      
before the heavy use period. The request is for a new bridge                                                                    
on the Granite Creek Trail. The request is for general funds                                                                    
to be put into the Disaster Relief Fund to reimburse the                                                                        
Division of Parks.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies restated his understanding that the                                                                    
state would still have liability even if a sign were put up                                                                     
on the trail. He noted that there have been a number of                                                                         
disasters around the state where general funds were used to                                                                     
repair infrastructure.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde disagreed that the state would be                                                                          
liable for use of a trail that is clearly hazardous.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
In response to a question by Representative Austerman, Mr.                                                                      
Bus clarified that there is a sizable bridge that needs to                                                                      
be replaced. The bridges were placed by the state Division                                                                      
of Parks.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf suggested that a barrier would be                                                                    
needed to prevent liability.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde reiterated that he did not believe the                                                                     
state would be liable.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman stated that he was concern about                                                                       
the state's liability.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Williams suggested that the trail be shut                                                                        
down.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies responded that the state could                                                                         
spend $100 thousand dollars to build a barrier to keep                                                                          
people out when $135 thousand dollars would repair a                                                                            
recreational facility.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion to adopt Amendment                                                                     
6.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Foster, Grussendorf, Moses, Austerman, Davies                                                                         
OPPOSED: Davis, Kohring, Williams, Bunde, Therriault,                                                                           
Mulder                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION FAILED (5-6).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies WITHDREW Amendment 7.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 8 (copy on                                                                    
file).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Page 1, Section 2. Disaster Relief Fund.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Page 1, line 10                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Delete "$11,997,000"                                                                                                            
Insert "$13,673,600"                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Page 1, line 13                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Delete "$9,597,000"                                                                                                             
Insert "$11,273,600"                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies explained that the amendment would                                                                     
restore the capital match for the Western Alaska fisheries                                                                      
disaster. He stated that requiring communities to use their                                                                     
FY00 matching grant funds would be the equivalent of                                                                            
requiring Anchorage to use municipal assistance and revenue                                                                     
sharing funds as a match to a disaster.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER observed that the appropriation was                                                                      
promised to the department and obligated                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell stated that the Governor declared the Western                                                                     
Alaska fisheries a disaster. The legislature was informed                                                                       
that $1.5 million dollars would be spent to match the $7                                                                        
million dollars in federal funds that were made available.                                                                      
She emphasized that Senator Stevens has secured $7 million                                                                      
dollars in federal aid. The Administration is trying to find                                                                    
alternatives. Some communities have provided matches to                                                                         
their projects. She maintained that the proposed committee                                                                      
substitute would prevent local communities from providing a                                                                     
match. The match is required for the federal funding. She                                                                       
stressed that the funding replaces wages that were lost in                                                                      
the fishing industry.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder noted that authority granted in FY99 would                                                                      
allow communities to provide the match. Ms. McConnell agreed                                                                    
that if money were available communities could provide the                                                                      
match. She stressed that communities have loss other                                                                            
revenues due to a turn down in the fisheries. She stated                                                                        
that the Administration is pursuing the possibility that                                                                        
communities that can provide the match might share with                                                                         
others. She did not know if this were possible under the                                                                        
federal program.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
In response to a question by Co-Chair Therriault, Ms.                                                                           
McConnell clarified that she did not know if the ability of                                                                     
communities to make the match would be affected by the                                                                          
proposed committee substitute.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault referred to the Community Matching                                                                          
Grants Capital program. He noted that communities receiving                                                                     
money could carry forward a balance. He asked if there are                                                                      
any carry-forward balances in the Municipal Matching program                                                                    
that could be used to make the match.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell emphasized that communities would be asked to                                                                     
give up job opportunities that were provided under the                                                                          
matching grant program. She emphasized that two jobs cannot                                                                     
be made out of one pot of money. She reiterated that $1.5                                                                       
million state dollars would leverage $7 million federal                                                                         
dollars.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault stressed that communities are being                                                                         
asked to pick and chose between programs.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell stressed that disasters have been treated                                                                         
differently. She noted that Kenai was not asked to give up                                                                      
its capital matching grant projects after the South Central                                                                     
flood in order to provide the match for federal disaster                                                                        
funds. She added that this is not how the Miller's Reach                                                                        
fire disaster was handled. She noted that the villages have                                                                     
limited resources. This is outside of the normal capital                                                                        
budget area.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault stated that there is a difference                                                                           
between physical and economic disasters. Co-Chair Mulder                                                                        
agreed with Co-Chair Therriault. He reviewed some of the                                                                        
projects that would be funded. He maintained that the                                                                           
projects in question belong in the capital budget.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell stressed that it is dangerous to say that a                                                                       
collapse in fisheries that comes from weather conditions is                                                                     
not a disaster. She compared the fisheries disaster to a                                                                        
draught. The federal government directed that the projects                                                                      
be capital in nature.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies stated that he would agree that the                                                                    
funding should go in the capital budget if there were new                                                                       
funds available. He did not think it would be fair to                                                                           
require these areas to be singled out.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if the option of using the Capital                                                                        
Matching Grant program was discussed and supported by the                                                                       
Administration during the previous session.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell clarified that the legislature made it clear                                                                      
that there would be no general funds for these projects. The                                                                    
Administration made its best effort to provide funding. She                                                                     
noted that Bethel and Dillingham have provided matches. She                                                                     
stressed that the Administration did not indicate that they                                                                     
would be able to find alternative funding for the match. She                                                                    
stressed that there is not a lot of cash in the villages to                                                                     
be used as matching funds without sacrificing other projects                                                                    
that are going to produce jobs.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault asked if an effort was made to compare                                                                      
the jobs that would be created under projects in this                                                                           
appropriation to what would be created under the Capital                                                                        
Matching Grant program. He emphasized that communities would                                                                    
get more for their capital matching grants if they are used                                                                     
to leverage federal dollars through the disaster funding.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell stated that the Department of Community and                                                                       
Regional Affairs worked with villages, but that there are                                                                       
few villages that store up their matching grants.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault noted that in the case of a Midwestern                                                                      
draught the relief would go to the individual farmer. He did                                                                    
not think that a direct comparison could be made to a                                                                           
Midwestern crop failure due to draught.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell noted that the future federal aid for the                                                                         
disaster would be configured differently. Federal relief in                                                                     
FY00 would come as direct aid to those affected.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster asked if a match was requested during                                                                     
the collapse of the timber industry. Ms. McConnell stated                                                                       
that there was not a match requirement for relief to the                                                                        
Southeast timber industry. She reviewed job creation                                                                            
relating to the Southeast timber industry. Representative                                                                       
Williams pointed out that federal relief for the Southeast                                                                      
timber industry did not go through the state.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde noted that fisheries run in cycles. He                                                                     
asked if the Administration has given thought to when a                                                                         
natural disaster becomes normal economic activity. Ms.                                                                          
McConnell stated that they Administration have not resolved                                                                     
the issue of future years. She explained that communities                                                                       
were turned down if their impact was due to low prices or                                                                       
lack of market. Only communities affected by a warming of                                                                       
waters were included.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kapsner questioned if funding is going to                                                                        
economic diversification. She observed that one village has                                                                     
a 77 percent below poverty level while 55 percent of the                                                                        
community is involved in the fisheries industry.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell stated that the second round of federal aid do                                                                    
is structured more toward economic diversification. Projects                                                                    
in the first year of relief were selected because they could                                                                    
provide cash assistance in the form of wages.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman noted there are problems with the                                                                      
fisheries in his area. He found it difficult to classify the                                                                    
salmon downturn as an economic disaster.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
(Tape Change, HFC 99 - 40, Side 2)                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kohring stressed that relief should come from                                                                    
private and non-profit assistance.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion to adopt Amendment                                                                     
8.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Foster, Grussendorf, Moses, Davies                                                                                    
OPPOSED: Austerman, Bunde, Davis, Kohring, Williams,                                                                            
Mulder, Therriault                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION FAILED (4-7).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder commented on Amendment 8. He stressed that                                                                      
the Legislature and Administration still need to come to                                                                        
terms with the definition of "natural disaster". He observed                                                                    
that the Legislature is not in step with the current                                                                            
Administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 9 (copy on                                                                    
file). Co-Chair Mulder OBJECTED.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 5, add a new subsection                                                                                                 
(Z) "The sum of $170,000 is appropriated from the                                                                               
general fund to the Department of Corrections, division                                                                         
of institutions, for staffing related costs at the Cook                                                                         
Inlet Correctional Center for the fiscal year ending                                                                            
June 30, 1999."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MARGARGET PUGH, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS,                                                                        
explained that the amendment would restore $170 thousand                                                                        
dollars to the Cook Inlet Correctional Unit.  She explained                                                                     
that the original supplemental request was reduced due to a                                                                     
reduction in last quarter's prison population.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder acknowledged that the Institution was funded                                                                    
a bit below their FY99 request, but emphasized that overall                                                                     
prison population was decreased by at least 600 prisoners,                                                                      
which were sent out of state last year. Tent camps were also                                                                    
used to alleviate overcrowding. This cost in access of $10                                                                      
million dollars. He maintained that the overhead at                                                                             
institutions should have been diminished with the reduction                                                                     
of prisoners.  He felt that the department had a comfortable                                                                    
cushion and should have the ability to deal with the                                                                            
situation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies pointed out that they were funded                                                                      
below the national norm.  The original request was reduced.                                                                     
He noted that $170 thousand dollars is needed to cover the                                                                      
expected overtime levels.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Pugh clarified that there are 13 institutions                                                                      
within the system.  She stated that the department has not                                                                      
been able to identify an alternate funding source for the                                                                       
supplemental request.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder acknowledged that the budget was short                                                                          
funded by $2 million dollars. He clarified that the short                                                                       
funding was directly attributable to anticipated reductions                                                                     
from inmates sent out-of-state. He emphasized that other                                                                        
institutions had reduced populations.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Pugh clarified that a reduction in population                                                                      
was already factored into their FY99 request for in-state                                                                       
institutions.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion to adopt Amendment                                                                     
9.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Grussendorf, Moses, Davies                                                                                            
OPPOSED: Kohring, Williams, Austerman, Davis, Foster,                                                                           
Therriault, Mulder                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde was absent from the vote.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION FAILED(3-7).                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 10 (copy                                                                      
on file). Co-Chair Mulder OBJECTED.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Section 5(c) The sum of "$3,130,000" [$3,050,0001 is                                                                            
appropriated from the general fund to the Department of                                                                         
Corrections, division of institutions, for increased                                                                            
costs associated with out-of-state contract beds for                                                                            
the fiscal year ending June 30, 1999.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Pugh repeated that the department has managed                                                                      
to reduce their total supplemental request by over $1                                                                           
million dollars. This request is for $80 thousand dollars.                                                                      
Co-Chair Mulder observed that the request relates is for an                                                                     
additional probation officer that was not approved by the                                                                       
legislature. The department hired two hearing officers,                                                                         
although only one was authorized in the FY99 budget. He                                                                         
spoke against the request. He emphasized that the issue                                                                         
would be evaluated in the full operating budget.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies spoke in support of the amendment.                                                                     
Commissioner Pugh clarified that probation officers, in the                                                                     
institutions, act as case managers. They have a lot of paper                                                                    
work associated with release.  They are responsible for                                                                         
making arrangements for release and for monitoring security                                                                     
and treatment programs.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies stated that the caseload is                                                                            
unacceptably high.  Co-Chair Mulder pointed out that the                                                                        
bulk of work occurs prior to release. He noted that                                                                             
probation officers have been increased over the last years.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion to adopt Amendment                                                                     
10.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Grussendorf, Moses, Davies                                                                                            
OPPOSED: Kohring, Williams, Austerman, Davis, Foster,                                                                           
Therriault, Mulder                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde was absent from the vote.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 11 (copy                                                                      
on file).  Amendment 11 would delete on page 13, lines 10 -                                                                     
11. This amendment would delete the repeal of Section 24                                                                        
(VPSO Parole Supervision Pilot Program).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Pugh stated that the program has potential for                                                                     
the future. It will allow the department to contract for a                                                                      
VPSO pilot program training in probation duties.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder stated was brought forth by his office as an                                                                    
effort to increase the outreach in rural Alaska.  It is                                                                         
difficult to release individuals into their home communities                                                                    
without supervision. The program would allow VPSO officers                                                                      
to help with the transition. He noted that the program has                                                                      
not been begun.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies spoke in support of the amendment.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion to adopt Amendment                                                                     
11.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Grussendorf, Davies                                                                                                   
OPPOSED: Austerman, Davis, Foster, Kohring, Williams,                                                                           
Mulder, Therriault                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representatives Bunde and Moses were absent from the vote.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION FAILED (2-7).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster expressed concern with the loss of a                                                                      
probation office in Nome.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 12 (copy                                                                      
on file). Co-Chair Therriault OBJECTED.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Section 12, on page 8, line 12                                                                                                 
Amended to read "*Sec 12. Department of Natural                                                                                 
Resources.  The sum of $78,270 is"                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies explained that the amendment  would                                                                    
fund program service aides in the Fairbanks and Anchorage                                                                       
Recorder's Office.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder clarified that there were three portions to                                                                     
the request for funding in the Recorder's Office. Two of the                                                                    
portions relate to fixed costs. The other portion relates to                                                                    
personal services. The proposed committee substitute covered                                                                    
the fixed costs.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kohring questioned why the reduction was                                                                         
recommended. He observed that the personal services would be                                                                    
funded through program receipts. Co-Chair Mulder responded                                                                      
that the program receipts are deposited into the General                                                                        
Fund. He noted that the Recorder's Office receives receipts                                                                     
in access of the amount needed to operate the program. He                                                                       
pointed out that the budget gap would be increased if the                                                                       
appropriation is approved.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman stressed that there needs to be                                                                        
improvements in the system used by the Recorder's Office to                                                                     
record documents.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies spoke in support of the amendment.                                                                     
He stressed that the Recorder's Office is purchasing                                                                            
equipment to allow them to reduce the backlog. He noted that                                                                    
the funding is for temporary hires. The intent is to reduce                                                                     
the delay to the private sector.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman maintained that the problem should                                                                     
be addressed in the FY00 budget. He pointed out that the                                                                        
supplemental is for crisis items. He did not consider the                                                                       
workload at the Recorder's Office to be a crisis.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies maintained that the supplemental is                                                                    
not just about authorizing items in crisis. He emphasized                                                                       
that the supplemental allows fine tuning because it is                                                                          
impossible to forecast some items.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus clarified that the Department of Natural Resources                                                                      
does not control the workload. The additional positions                                                                         
would stimulate the economy and result in more revenues to                                                                      
the general fund. He stressed that funding would be through                                                                     
program receipts. Four temporary people were hired in                                                                           
September to help with the backlog. Documents were waiting                                                                      
for up to five months. The money has already been spent. The                                                                    
positions were hired for six months.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf noted that the cost of each                                                                          
position is approximately $8 thousand dollars. He stressed                                                                      
that the request would be funded through program receipts.                                                                      
He stressed that miners need to have their claims recorded                                                                      
in addition to having their roads plowed. He pointed out                                                                        
that it is a consumer service.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies observed that the state would                                                                          
probably take in less money as a result of not hiring these                                                                     
temporary positions.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kohring stated that if money were going to be                                                                    
put back in, it should be straight across the board.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kohring MOVED to amend Amendment 12 to                                                                           
reinstate full funding for the request at $92 thousand                                                                          
dollars. There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment 12 was adopted as                                                                           
amended.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies WITHDREW Amendment 13 (copy on                                                                         
file).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 14 (copy on                                                                        
file). Amendment 14 would increase other funds authorization                                                                    
for the Public Assistance Administration to $41,090,100                                                                         
million dollars.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault observed that the authorization to                                                                          
accept federal funds in the childcare benefits component had                                                                    
to be increased to allow acceptance of federal Temporary                                                                        
Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) funds.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JANET CLARK, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                     
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES added that the                                                                         
amendment also clarifies corrects a mistake in the Public                                                                       
Assistance Administration component. She explained that the                                                                     
reduction that the department suggested in the grants line                                                                      
of the Public Assistance Administration should have been $30                                                                    
thousand dollars.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment 14 was adopted.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 15 (copy on file).                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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Delete:  "NOT TO EXCEED $700,000,001,"                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Insert: ", not to exceed 900,000,001,"                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder explained that the amendment would increase                                                                     
the authority for the draw from the Constitutional Budget                                                                       
Reserve from $700 million to $900 million dollars.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies stated that the amount would have                                                                      
to be revisited in May 1999. Co-Chair Mulder agreed and                                                                         
stated that it would be included in the final appropriation.                                                                    
Representative J. Davies suggested the amount be adjusted                                                                       
later.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies OBJECTED. He spoke against the                                                                         
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion to adopt Amendment                                                                     
15.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Grussendorf, Davies                                                                                                   
OPPOSED: Austerman, Davis, Foster, Kohring, Williams,                                                                           
Mulder, Therriault                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representatives Bunde and Moses were absent from the vote.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION FAILED (2-6).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell clarified that the Department of                                                                                  
Transportation and Public Facilities will not receive                                                                           
federal funding for their request of $1,513,800 million                                                                         
dollars if the federal Emergency Response Fund is not                                                                           
replenished. If the request is not funded the Department of                                                                     
Transportation and Public Facilities will bring an amendment                                                                    
to the Committee for funding.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA BRINK, DIRECTOR, PUBLIC DEFENDER AGENCY discussed                                                                       
the agency's request for additional office space. She                                                                           
explained that there are 14 additional positions.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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Ms. Brink emphasized that the agency only has a total of 36                                                                     
employees. She stated that she had been looking for office                                                                      
space for the past four years. She pointed out that it would                                                                    
be expensive to locate office space in another building. She                                                                    
noted that office space became available on the floor above.                                                                    
She stressed that the location saves money, since they can                                                                      
share the receptionist and library. She stressed that there                                                                     
would be a cost savings. She emphasized that the agency will                                                                    
still be crowed and cramped. She pointed out that the agency                                                                    
has become more efficient                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative G. Davis questioned if the Department of                                                                         
Public Safety considered not training all of the officers.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
KENNETH BISCHOFF, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                          
SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION clarified that the                                                                       
intent was to train necessary new troopers not to keep the                                                                      
Academy open. He noted that there is a large number of                                                                          
retiring troopers. He stressed that there are moving costs                                                                      
associated with replacing retiring troopers. He noted that                                                                      
there were 258 authorized positions. The legislature                                                                            
provided funding for 8 new troopers.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if the department hired 17 new                                                                            
troopers. Mr. Bischoff confirmed that the department planned                                                                    
to employ 17 additional troopers.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault asked how replacement of retiring                                                                           
troopers is decided. Mr. Bischoff explained that it varies                                                                      
with bargaining units. The Public Safety Employees                                                                              
Association has a seniority list. When positions open the                                                                       
department is required to bid the open slots. Any employee                                                                      
can submit a bid. Co-Chair Therriault noted that an officer                                                                     
could be move from Barrow to Ketchikan due to the system of                                                                     
seniority. Mr. Bischoff explained that there is more control                                                                    
on the management level.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder emphasized that the legislature has not cut                                                                     
trooper positions.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster expressed his frustrations in his                                                                         
inability to find Department of Public Safety personnel to                                                                      
contact in regards to a missing child. He attempted to                                                                          
locate help on a Saturday.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HB 100 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                                                                         
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The meeting adjourned at 5:05 p.m.                                                                                              
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